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and happy sunday from philadelphia frank

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here with yet another episode of ufo

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news network sunday

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uh more news coming in the last week

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enough to justify doing another show and

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we're certainly glad about that

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a very interesting week a continued

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fallout from the new york times

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uh story from a couple of weeks ago

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blumenthal and

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keane were able to do a follow-up this

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past week which i'm going to discuss in

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a little bit of detail and uh qualify

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be a little critical of some of the

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things that they had to say uh

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also uh this morning christopher mellon

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appeared on the smarkonis show

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on cnn talked a little bit more about

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crash retrievals

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when asked about it and also

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in the news in the last week the

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scientific american published a story by

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a couple of scientists in which

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they called for more scientific study of

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the ufo

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issue so it was a very interesting week

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and of course i'll wrap up

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with a uh let's see with a

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review of episode four of the

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unidentified show and let me make a

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quick fix on that hang on here episode

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four not episode five okay hang on a sec

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so there we go

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a little uh quick fix on that and let's

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get right to it and start talking about

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uh the new york times story it was a a

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big story not this past week but the

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week before about the crash retrieval

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and uh keene and blumenthal did follow

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and uh the the headline of their story

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read do we believe in ufos

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that's the wrong question so let me uh

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go through some

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key elements in the story here we're

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often asked by well-meaning associates

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and readers do you believe in ufos

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the question sets us up back as being

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inappropriately personal

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or what okay well okay you put the you

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put the material out there as i'm not so

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sure about that i don't know why it

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would be inappropriately personal it's a

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fair question

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at times reporters are particularly

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averse to revealing opinions that could

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imply possible reporting bias well you

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know you look at the

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leslie keane's entire career of writing

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books about ufos

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of being closely involved with bud

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of uh currently getting about published

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uh near death experiences so you know

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entire her entire career

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indicates i wouldn't say a bias in a

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negative sense but a

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deep interest in that the paranormal so

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it's like come on what are you what are

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you talking about here

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uh but going back to the article but in

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this case uh we have no problem uh

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like who wrote this are you kidding here

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what are we talking about

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the strictest sense of the definition is

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any kind of flying object that you don't

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do you believe in ufos is uh

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the best question is do you think or do

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some ufos are et that's really uh well

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really the the 64 thousand dollar

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so yeah i would kind of disagree with

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the framing so far

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again that keene and blumenthal go on as

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non-existence is not a matter of belief

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that's what the pentagon ufo program has

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making it eminently newsworthy i'm not

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sure what sense that even makes uh

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if anything i think uh marco rubio was

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that he's quite convinced that uh these

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videos captured of objects flying that

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radar and all that

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that yeah they're unidentified flying

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talking about here but uh okay the and

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they might not and of course a lot of

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the sky whatever the case may be

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but uh yeah i mean that that is what

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we're here for isn't it

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all you ufo buffs that's uh again the 64

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uh are some of these ufos et and of

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are do i believe it

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well okay but i believe uh i believe is

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a pretty high bar but i absolutely think

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some of them could might very well be i

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truly extraordinary cases

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backed up by physical evidence in the

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fit those characteristics that's where

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the et's if they're there and yeah i do

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saying it so unidentified means we don't

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know what they are only that they

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demonstrate capabilities that do not

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talk about a a little uh a little bit of

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research that was done

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very lucky guy because he had access

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to a very esteemed scientist uh someone

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scientific revolutions

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paradigm shift that uh that means a big

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feeling and saying and that's what i've

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theology what you're really

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and uh have said on the show that's what

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we're trying to do here trying to gain

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knowledge about ufos

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for everybody but to anybody who's

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taking a closer look at this ufo field

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keep that in mind and

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going forward i think we're going to see

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arguments as we move forward uh in this

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ufo stuff as we go through this ufo

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paradigm shift and that is what we're

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going through and uh keep it in mind

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i'm telling you don't don't get trapped

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by it clear things up and move along

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that's my advice so i'm going to move

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whether it'll satisfy science or your

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your boyfriend or your girlfriend or

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your

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neighbor who cares just try to keep on

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gaining knowledge

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about ufos that's my advice taken from

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that the core bit of advice

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that kuhn gave mack a number of years

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uh this morning uh pleasantly surprised

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to see that the christopher millen

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appeared on the smerkana show in cnn

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i've been familiar with spaghanash for a

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lot of years he's a philly guy

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has been broadcasting out of

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philadelphia for some time doing the

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uh the talk radio and political analysis

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stuff he's on cnn i guess he's uh on

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serious radio as well

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uh but i don't get that but uh he's been

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around a while he's a

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pretty grounded guy i certainly don't

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mind listening to him as

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far as a mainstream media talking head

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so it was nice to see

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him have melon on uh this morning uh

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christopher mellon

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and uh let's go to the highlights it's

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like a five

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five and a half minute interview a nice

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little chunk of time to spend with melon

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and of course uh melon did go through

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a few different things related to the

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ufo topic in general

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but uh obviously uh smokonis has done

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his homework and

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is aware of the uh the crash retrieval

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story

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and decided to follow up with melon on

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that and that is the key part of the

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interview

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so let's play the audio on that now i

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was quoting eric davis i know you're

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familiar with his work when i read that

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that new york times paragraph a moment

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ago do you believe that there are

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objects in

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our possession broadly defined our

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possession

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that are from something other than this

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what i will say about that is that i

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think that assertion should be taken

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seriously um i i'm aware

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i know eric very well um i understand

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his arguments

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uh i was present in his briefings uh

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on the hill and uh he tried to provide

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some leads for them to follow to enable

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them potentially to confirm this

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it is an issue that should be taken

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seriously in fact

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curiously president trump himself on

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father's day indicated um

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on air while being filmed that

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he did have classified information about

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roswell new mexico which is as most

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people know

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is the legendary site of an alleged

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craft crash of a uh of a ufo

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and when asked by his son about that

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about declassifying it he said i'll have

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to think about it

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i don't know what there is about roswell

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that could be classified or interesting

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other than that one particular uh issue

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so uh there is a lot of of new press and

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new information coming forward

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uh and again as i said i think this is a

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topic that the oversight

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communities should take seriously and

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well it was certainly very interesting

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that mellon brought up the r word

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roswell he talked about crash retrievals

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and he talked a little bit about the

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nature of eric davis's

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testimony before

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congressional staffers

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senators perhaps we don't know the

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makeup of the folks that he talked to

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could have been just staffers could have

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been

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we really don't know we don't have

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those details uh there were some

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questioning uh whether or not he had

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actually

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done that at all but in fact that has

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proven to be the case now confirmed by

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mellon

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and i'd certainly accepted that didn't

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have any problems with that

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uh he's been saying these types of

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things for some time

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and apparently uh based on what uh we

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know davis has said

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uh in open interviews and that we know

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what mellon has said here

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is that neither of them really have any

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specific knowledge of any particular

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crash

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program

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uh just that such a thing exists

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and it doesn't really seem to go any

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further than that

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a while back i can't remember it was

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last year perhaps a year before

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davis talked in sort of broad terms not

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being able to point to a specific crash

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retrieval

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uh but talk about roswell being a good

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bet

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uh he also had mentioned they uh crash a

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purported crash

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in del rio that was jumped on by kevin

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randle

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who looked into that case a little bit

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more closely

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and found that an individual i believe

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his name was billingham

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in fact it was sort of a tall tale from

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this guy and

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nothing came of it davis sort of threw

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that out there as an aside

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as you know a possibility and randall

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jumped all over him and has been very

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critical of davis since then

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i don't know how fair i don't think that

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that criticism is especially fair

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but uh both davis mellon the new york

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times they're talking about crash

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retrievals

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and the r word has come up and of course

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we like the r word here

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i definitely do think there was

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something to all that

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roswell stuff and we will keep an eye on

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all that

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now looking for these uh crash retrieval

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programs

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can be a little bit daunting and i i

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suppose there are a few different ways

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you could look

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uh melon had uh reported that in the

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interview today that davis

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provided these congressional personnel

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with

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leads on where they might look and of

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course we've got leads here too where

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might you look

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uh for uh crash retrieval programs of

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course

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it's been talked about from a lot of i

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think some of the more

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speculative and not necessarily a

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reasonable speculation

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coming up from some camps like richard

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dolan

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as far as these programs being purely

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moved over into the private sector as a

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way of

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privatizing them properly and once and

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for all i don't think that's the case

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but uh the two different ways to look at

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it you can look at it from the outside

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in you can look at

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the these defense contractors and then

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sort of

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trace it back to the inside it's uh

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they've got to get this material from

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somewhere they don't have their crash

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retrieval programs

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so it's got to come from the military or

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do you look at it from the inside

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out we'll take a look right now from the

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inside

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out and who might be some of the key

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players involved

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in this type of crash retrieval work

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obviously

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uh darpa would be one of those uh right

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at the top of the list as a matter of

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fact

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with darpa that is of course the defense

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advanced research projects agency

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and they develop emergency emerging

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technologies for use by the military

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then over on the air force side you have

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of course the air force materiel command

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which going back in the day they oversaw

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project blue book what they do is

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research develop

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test evaluate acquire maintenance

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and do program management of existing

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and future

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uh air force weapon systems and their

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components and then of course

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so they have their their own lab

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underneath them the air force

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research laboratory uh that's a

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scientific research organization

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operated

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by the air material command and they

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lead

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on discovery development integration of

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aerospace warfighting technologies

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planning and executing air force science

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and technology programs

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and provide warfighting capabilities to

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the u.s

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air space and cyber space forces then on

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the navy side the office of naval

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research

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it's an organization within the uh

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department of the navy responsible for

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the science and technology programs of

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the navy and the marine corps

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and then under them they've got their

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naval research laboratory

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and that is a research laboratory that

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conducts scientific research applied

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research

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technological development and

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prototyping and

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specializes in plasma physics space

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physics

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material sciences and tactical

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electronic warfare

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so that's what they do and those are

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some of the names that that might turn

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up in the future if

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more details come out as far as any kind

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of crash retrieval

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any kind of et reverse engineering

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programs

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uh that's on the inside uh working its

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way out towards corporate

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and as far as corporate is concerned uh

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because of

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the silliness surrounding the uh the

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wilson davis notes

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uh there's been a lot of talk about uh

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different

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defense contractors are really more on

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the the manufacturing side

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lockheed martin uh let's see who else is

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there there's a

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grumman grumman northrup or northrop

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grumman i should say

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and those types of companies but there

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were also and

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i went into a lot of detail about this

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on

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earlier shows there are also a lot of

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research institutes out there

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that might depending on what's in hand

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they might well

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be among the contractors used not

549
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necessarily a manufacturing contractor

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but a research facility like the

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battelle memorial institute which has

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been reported

553
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uh is still doing uh work on ufos at

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00:19:44,710 --> 00:19:41,440
least

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up into the 70s so there's that so keep

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an eye on those organizations and

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see what they're going to be working on

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and they might well

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00:19:54,549 --> 00:19:52,720
their names might well come up as we

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00:19:57,029 --> 00:19:54,559
find out a little bit more

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about uh possible crash retrieval of

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course

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again that we're also hearing some

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stories about uh

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fully intact craft of an et nature

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how would something like that get here

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well i suppose

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uh maybe the same way that a a fully

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functional

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mig might deliver itself to the united

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states that

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some e.t decided to defect or that

573
00:20:22,390 --> 00:20:21,600
they landed something uh the pilot

574
00:20:24,630 --> 00:20:22,400
hopped out

575
00:20:26,149 --> 00:20:24,640
climbed aboard another ship and uh went

576
00:20:28,870 --> 00:20:26,159
back with the mothership and

577
00:20:29,830 --> 00:20:28,880
left a uh a fully intact craft to be

578
00:20:32,870 --> 00:20:29,840
recovered

579
00:20:33,830 --> 00:20:32,880
those are uh speculative tales don't

580
00:20:35,990 --> 00:20:33,840
necessarily

581
00:20:37,750 --> 00:20:36,000
believe that stuff but if you're talking

582
00:20:40,310 --> 00:20:37,760
about something that's fully functional

583
00:20:42,149 --> 00:20:40,320
i don't see any other way for that to

584
00:20:44,630 --> 00:20:42,159
fall into our hands but i think

585
00:20:45,669 --> 00:20:44,640
by and large we're talking about debris

586
00:20:48,149 --> 00:20:45,679
here

587
00:20:49,669 --> 00:20:48,159
literal literal wrecks so that's uh

588
00:20:51,830 --> 00:20:49,679
that's what we're talking about

589
00:20:52,710 --> 00:20:51,840
and if that's the case i think those are

590
00:20:53,990 --> 00:20:52,720
the players

591
00:20:56,549 --> 00:20:54,000
that you're going to want to be taking a

592
00:20:58,470 --> 00:20:56,559
closer look at

593
00:20:59,590 --> 00:20:58,480
also this week a very interesting

594
00:21:02,070 --> 00:20:59,600
article from

595
00:21:04,070 --> 00:21:02,080
scientific american they don't write

596
00:21:05,909 --> 00:21:04,080
much about the ufo stuff but there was

597
00:21:08,549 --> 00:21:05,919
an interview with steve justice

598
00:21:10,870 --> 00:21:08,559
a couple years back right after the

599
00:21:13,750 --> 00:21:10,880
original new york times article came out

600
00:21:15,190 --> 00:21:13,760
all the way back in december of 2017 and

601
00:21:16,789 --> 00:21:15,200
that article came out

602
00:21:18,470 --> 00:21:16,799
and maybe within a couple months of that

603
00:21:20,149 --> 00:21:18,480
or so but here's another one uh we've

604
00:21:21,990 --> 00:21:20,159
got a couple of scientists here are

605
00:21:25,669 --> 00:21:22,000
writing four scientific american

606
00:21:28,870 --> 00:21:25,679
uh one of them uh ravi kumar koparapu

607
00:21:31,909 --> 00:21:28,880
uh who is a research scientist for nasa

608
00:21:35,270 --> 00:21:31,919
and jacob hak misra

609
00:21:37,669 --> 00:21:35,280
who is a an astrobiologist and they're

610
00:21:39,350 --> 00:21:37,679
writing in scientific american that they

611
00:21:40,230 --> 00:21:39,360
think that that's about time for a

612
00:21:43,350 --> 00:21:40,240
little bit more

613
00:21:46,070 --> 00:21:43,360
scientific research on ufos

614
00:21:47,990 --> 00:21:46,080
in the article they write so what should

615
00:21:49,430 --> 00:21:48,000
be the approach if a scientific approach

616
00:21:51,669 --> 00:21:49,440
is desired one needs an

617
00:21:53,510 --> 00:21:51,679
interdisciplinary approach to address

618
00:21:55,350 --> 00:21:53,520
uh the combined observational

619
00:21:57,990 --> 00:21:55,360
characteristics of uap

620
00:21:58,630 --> 00:21:58,000
rather than isolating one aspect of the

621
00:22:01,350 --> 00:21:58,640
event

622
00:22:02,710 --> 00:22:01,360
furthermore uap phenomenon are not u.s

623
00:22:04,870 --> 00:22:02,720
specific events

624
00:22:06,789 --> 00:22:04,880
there are they are a worldwide

625
00:22:07,590 --> 00:22:06,799
occurrence several other countries

626
00:22:09,830 --> 00:22:07,600
studied them

627
00:22:10,789 --> 00:22:09,840
so shouldn't we as scientists choose to

628
00:22:12,710 --> 00:22:10,799
investigate and

629
00:22:14,710 --> 00:22:12,720
curb the speculation around them of

630
00:22:17,190 --> 00:22:14,720
course i certainly agree with that

631
00:22:18,230 --> 00:22:17,200
and the interdisciplinary approach is

632
00:22:19,909 --> 00:22:18,240
very important

633
00:22:21,669 --> 00:22:19,919
and we're also going to have to go i

634
00:22:23,750 --> 00:22:21,679
think uh beyond the

635
00:22:24,710 --> 00:22:23,760
realm of just the physical sciences as

636
00:22:26,710 --> 00:22:24,720
well

637
00:22:27,750 --> 00:22:26,720
and some historians are going to have to

638
00:22:29,830 --> 00:22:27,760
get involved

639
00:22:31,270 --> 00:22:29,840
because uh there is a little question in

640
00:22:34,630 --> 00:22:31,280
my mind there is a

641
00:22:35,029 --> 00:22:34,640
genuine untold history regarding ufos

642
00:22:37,350 --> 00:22:35,039
and

643
00:22:38,950 --> 00:22:37,360
what's gone on within the government but

644
00:22:41,350 --> 00:22:38,960
that getting back to the article

645
00:22:42,950 --> 00:22:41,360
a systematic investigation is essential

646
00:22:45,110 --> 00:22:42,960
in order to bring the phenomenon

647
00:22:46,710 --> 00:22:45,120
into mainstream science first collection

648
00:22:48,390 --> 00:22:46,720
of hard data is paramount to

649
00:22:50,789 --> 00:22:48,400
establishing any credibility

650
00:22:53,029 --> 00:22:50,799
to the explanation of the phenomenon our

651
00:22:53,590 --> 00:22:53,039
rigorous scientific analysis is sorely

652
00:22:56,149 --> 00:22:53,600
needed

653
00:22:58,230 --> 00:22:56,159
by multiple independent study groups

654
00:22:59,750 --> 00:22:58,240
just as we do for evaluating other

655
00:23:02,070 --> 00:22:59,760
scientific discoveries

656
00:23:02,950 --> 00:23:02,080
we as scientists cannot hastily dismiss

657
00:23:05,990 --> 00:23:02,960
any phenomenon

658
00:23:07,590 --> 00:23:06,000
without in-depth examination and then

659
00:23:08,870 --> 00:23:07,600
conclude the event itself is

660
00:23:11,830 --> 00:23:08,880
unscientific

661
00:23:13,990 --> 00:23:11,840
uh the transient nature of uap events

662
00:23:15,830 --> 00:23:14,000
and hence the unpredictability about

663
00:23:18,310 --> 00:23:15,840
uh when and where the next event will

664
00:23:19,350 --> 00:23:18,320
happen is likely one of the main reasons

665
00:23:21,110 --> 00:23:19,360
why uap

666
00:23:23,350 --> 00:23:21,120
have not been taken seriously in

667
00:23:25,590 --> 00:23:23,360
scientific and science circles

668
00:23:27,669 --> 00:23:25,600
but how can one identify a pattern

669
00:23:28,230 --> 00:23:27,679
without systematically collecting the

670
00:23:30,390 --> 00:23:28,240
data

671
00:23:32,549 --> 00:23:30,400
in the first place in astronomy the

672
00:23:35,510 --> 00:23:32,559
observations location and timing

673
00:23:38,430 --> 00:23:35,520
of gamma ray bursts supernova and

674
00:23:39,750 --> 00:23:38,440
gravitational waves are similarly

675
00:23:42,230 --> 00:23:39,760
unpredictable

676
00:23:43,669 --> 00:23:42,240
however we are not we now recognize them

677
00:23:45,990 --> 00:23:43,679
as natural phenomenon

678
00:23:47,350 --> 00:23:46,000
arising from stellar evolution so uh

679
00:23:49,990 --> 00:23:47,360
some great points made there

680
00:23:51,990 --> 00:23:50,000
some caveats though i think that some of

681
00:23:54,630 --> 00:23:52,000
these scientists are thinking well

682
00:23:55,990 --> 00:23:54,640
just go in and uh flash my phd to the

683
00:23:58,950 --> 00:23:56,000
military and i'm going to be

684
00:24:00,630 --> 00:23:58,960
uh getting all their reports all the uh

685
00:24:03,909 --> 00:24:00,640
hard physical evidence that

686
00:24:05,990 --> 00:24:03,919
they have gathered like for example

687
00:24:07,029 --> 00:24:06,000
remote sensing in the form of radar and

688
00:24:08,950 --> 00:24:07,039
flare video

689
00:24:11,190 --> 00:24:08,960
that is not going to happen and that is

690
00:24:13,990 --> 00:24:11,200
going to be a difficult road to hoe

691
00:24:14,549 --> 00:24:14,000
but it's nice to see more scientists uh

692
00:24:16,549 --> 00:24:14,559
getting

693
00:24:18,710 --> 00:24:16,559
interested in this and writing about it

694
00:24:21,269 --> 00:24:18,720
they make some excellent points here

695
00:24:22,950 --> 00:24:21,279
but other scientists have taken a look

696
00:24:25,669 --> 00:24:22,960
and have been interested before

697
00:24:26,230 --> 00:24:25,679
and uh let's uh well let's uh go

698
00:24:28,310 --> 00:24:26,240
actually

699
00:24:29,830 --> 00:24:28,320
let's uh cover this a little bit first

700
00:24:31,110 --> 00:24:29,840
because this is a very interesting

701
00:24:33,029 --> 00:24:31,120
anecdotal case

702
00:24:34,630 --> 00:24:33,039
that a lot of you might not be familiar

703
00:24:37,669 --> 00:24:34,640
with regarding

704
00:24:39,350 --> 00:24:37,679
mapping of the ocean floor u.s navy

705
00:24:42,310 --> 00:24:39,360
secrecy likely stalled

706
00:24:43,350 --> 00:24:42,320
ocean science progress for decades okay

707
00:24:45,110 --> 00:24:43,360
now you think

708
00:24:46,470 --> 00:24:45,120
they're going to just easily give up ufo

709
00:24:48,870 --> 00:24:46,480
data let's look at

710
00:24:50,870 --> 00:24:48,880
this particular instance and see uh they

711
00:24:52,950 --> 00:24:50,880
didn't give up this data too easily

712
00:24:54,789 --> 00:24:52,960
and really i mean what was what was the

713
00:24:57,110 --> 00:24:54,799
reason for this being classified so

714
00:24:58,950 --> 00:24:57,120
let's uh let's go through the details to

715
00:25:01,669 --> 00:24:58,960
the article

716
00:25:03,590 --> 00:25:01,679
beginning in the late 1930s uh the u.s

717
00:25:05,830 --> 00:25:03,600
navy took an active interest in pursuing

718
00:25:07,990 --> 00:25:05,840
ocean research for military purposes

719
00:25:10,390 --> 00:25:08,000
in doing so the navy reshaped the field

720
00:25:12,390 --> 00:25:10,400
in america focusing most of its research

721
00:25:13,350 --> 00:25:12,400
on studying the physical characteristics

722
00:25:16,549 --> 00:25:13,360
of the ocean

723
00:25:17,510 --> 00:25:16,559
such as using sonar to map the ocean

724
00:25:20,230 --> 00:25:17,520
floor

725
00:25:20,870 --> 00:25:20,240
rather than on exploring biological or

726
00:25:23,909 --> 00:25:20,880
chemical

727
00:25:26,470 --> 00:25:23,919
oceanography oreska said up until around

728
00:25:27,669 --> 00:25:26,480
1938 scientists in the us were exploring

729
00:25:28,870 --> 00:25:27,679
the fundamentals of what would

730
00:25:31,350 --> 00:25:28,880
eventually become

731
00:25:33,430 --> 00:25:31,360
the theory of plate tectonics which

732
00:25:35,110 --> 00:25:33,440
recognizes the rigidity of the outer

733
00:25:38,549 --> 00:25:35,120
layer of the earth the crust

734
00:25:41,029 --> 00:25:38,559
links volcanism and earthquakes to

735
00:25:42,230 --> 00:25:41,039
crustal motion and even estimates its

736
00:25:44,070 --> 00:25:42,240
rate of movement

737
00:25:46,390 --> 00:25:44,080
all that progress came to a halt with

738
00:25:48,070 --> 00:25:46,400
world war ii and scientists who signed

739
00:25:49,750 --> 00:25:48,080
on to work with the us navy

740
00:25:51,669 --> 00:25:49,760
found that not only was their work

741
00:25:53,269 --> 00:25:51,679
designated as classified for the

742
00:25:55,990 --> 00:25:53,279
duration of the war

743
00:25:57,830 --> 00:25:56,000
the secrecy continued even after the war

744
00:25:59,909 --> 00:25:57,840
ended according to arrescus

745
00:26:01,430 --> 00:25:59,919
they were forbidden from sharing key

746
00:26:04,390 --> 00:26:01,440
oceanographic data

747
00:26:05,350 --> 00:26:04,400
such as uh bathymetric or depth

748
00:26:07,350 --> 00:26:05,360
measurements

749
00:26:08,470 --> 00:26:07,360
with scientists who lacked the security

750
00:26:10,870 --> 00:26:08,480
clearance

751
00:26:12,630 --> 00:26:10,880
limiting ocean data access to only a

752
00:26:13,350 --> 00:26:12,640
handful of people on a need to know

753
00:26:15,110 --> 00:26:13,360
basis

754
00:26:16,789 --> 00:26:15,120
greatly reduced the scientific

755
00:26:18,710 --> 00:26:16,799
community's chances of seeing

756
00:26:19,990 --> 00:26:18,720
important scientific breakthroughs

757
00:26:22,070 --> 00:26:20,000
arrest cassette

758
00:26:24,149 --> 00:26:22,080
great discoveries are rare and this

759
00:26:26,149 --> 00:26:24,159
policy makes sure they won't be made

760
00:26:27,590 --> 00:26:26,159
by the simple procedure of limiting

761
00:26:30,630 --> 00:26:27,600
factual information

762
00:26:31,909 --> 00:26:30,640
to a few men she explained and uh there

763
00:26:35,990 --> 00:26:31,919
you go i mean there's a

764
00:26:38,549 --> 00:26:36,000
again just an anecdotal instance but

765
00:26:40,230 --> 00:26:38,559
lots of data gathered by the military

766
00:26:42,470 --> 00:26:40,240
labeled as classified

767
00:26:43,909 --> 00:26:42,480
maybe with good reason in some instances

768
00:26:46,230 --> 00:26:43,919
in this particular instance

769
00:26:47,190 --> 00:26:46,240
uh i don't understand what the uh

770
00:26:49,029 --> 00:26:47,200
possible need for

771
00:26:50,630 --> 00:26:49,039
classification there would be in terms

772
00:26:53,110 --> 00:26:50,640
of mapping the ocean floor

773
00:26:54,230 --> 00:26:53,120
but there you have it so yeah scientists

774
00:26:56,710 --> 00:26:54,240
welcome aboard

775
00:26:57,590 --> 00:26:56,720
and get ready for a rough ride so uh

776
00:27:00,789 --> 00:26:57,600
let's also

777
00:27:02,630 --> 00:27:00,799
take a look at some gathering of data

778
00:27:04,230 --> 00:27:02,640
that's taken place in the past

779
00:27:06,230 --> 00:27:04,240
uh the kind of data that i think is

780
00:27:08,870 --> 00:27:06,240
especially interesting uh this

781
00:27:09,990 --> 00:27:08,880
from professor peter sturek of stanford

782
00:27:12,710 --> 00:27:10,000
university's book

783
00:27:14,549 --> 00:27:12,720
the ufo enigma where he talked about

784
00:27:16,870 --> 00:27:14,559
gathering together a number of cases

785
00:27:19,110 --> 00:27:16,880
from blue book and also uh from a uh

786
00:27:22,470 --> 00:27:19,120
gephant separa which uh

787
00:27:23,909 --> 00:27:22,480
basically uh a french organization and

788
00:27:24,549 --> 00:27:23,919
that basically they gathered a number of

789
00:27:31,029 --> 00:27:24,559
cases

790
00:27:32,070 --> 00:27:31,039
you've got credible witnesses and their

791
00:27:34,470 --> 00:27:32,080
testimony

792
00:27:35,909 --> 00:27:34,480
is corroborated by physical evidence in

793
00:27:39,830 --> 00:27:35,919
the form of radar

794
00:27:42,549 --> 00:27:39,840
uh the the the french came up with 101

795
00:27:44,389 --> 00:27:42,559
radar visual cases a project blue book

796
00:27:46,149 --> 00:27:44,399
came up with 76.

797
00:27:47,669 --> 00:27:46,159
i'm sure that there are more obviously

798
00:27:49,029 --> 00:27:47,679
this book was written i think the better

799
00:27:52,149 --> 00:27:49,039
part of 30 years ago

800
00:27:54,549 --> 00:27:52,159
so a lot has happened since then

801
00:27:56,870 --> 00:27:54,559
how how many of these cases are there

802
00:27:59,029 --> 00:27:56,880
and are all the metis probably not

803
00:28:00,710 --> 00:27:59,039
but again it's that type of database

804
00:28:02,909 --> 00:28:00,720
that kind of collection of cases we're

805
00:28:05,590 --> 00:28:02,919
talking about uh

806
00:28:07,830 --> 00:28:05,600
177 plus four others so

807
00:28:08,870 --> 00:28:07,840
you talk about roughly 180 cases give or

808
00:28:10,470 --> 00:28:08,880
take uh

809
00:28:12,470 --> 00:28:10,480
in that pile are you going to find some

810
00:28:14,070 --> 00:28:12,480
e.t cases i think that's where you're

811
00:28:14,789 --> 00:28:14,080
going to find that pile that type of

812
00:28:17,830 --> 00:28:14,799
pile

813
00:28:19,909 --> 00:28:17,840
and uh supplement obviously that data

814
00:28:21,430 --> 00:28:19,919
with newer data that might be available

815
00:28:22,789 --> 00:28:21,440
regarding some other cases that have

816
00:28:25,269 --> 00:28:22,799
happened more recently

817
00:28:26,950 --> 00:28:25,279
if we can get it that's the pile i think

818
00:28:30,310 --> 00:28:26,960
that you're going to find those e.t

819
00:28:33,190 --> 00:28:30,320
cases in another study that was uh

820
00:28:33,669 --> 00:28:33,200
uh not actually taken part of but it was

821
00:28:38,230 --> 00:28:33,679
uh

822
00:28:40,149 --> 00:28:38,240
professor linus pauling

823
00:28:41,350 --> 00:28:40,159
i wrote at length about uh this

824
00:28:43,350 --> 00:28:41,360
particular uh

825
00:28:44,630 --> 00:28:43,360
paper from pauling uh just uh really

826
00:28:47,909 --> 00:28:44,640
among his private notes

827
00:28:50,149 --> 00:28:47,919
he outlines a few things that he thinks

828
00:28:51,430 --> 00:28:50,159
should be part of a ufo study a very

829
00:28:53,990 --> 00:28:51,440
interesting paper and

830
00:28:56,149 --> 00:28:54,000
any scientist who's uh going to uh

831
00:28:57,669 --> 00:28:56,159
consider uh taking a closer look at ufos

832
00:28:57,990 --> 00:28:57,679
should at least take a look at this and

833
00:29:03,669 --> 00:28:58,000
uh

834
00:29:05,430 --> 00:29:03,679
certainly talks about witness cases and

835
00:29:08,070 --> 00:29:05,440
uh cases that

836
00:29:09,830 --> 00:29:08,080
uh feature two witnesses unrelated to

837
00:29:11,669 --> 00:29:09,840
one another viewing the same thing from

838
00:29:14,070 --> 00:29:11,679
a couple different locations

839
00:29:15,990 --> 00:29:14,080
merit some special attention he also

840
00:29:18,710 --> 00:29:16,000
talks about the the difficulty

841
00:29:19,830 --> 00:29:18,720
and explaining some cases if they do

842
00:29:22,950 --> 00:29:19,840
happen to be

843
00:29:25,269 --> 00:29:22,960
some sort of advanced military or test

844
00:29:26,149 --> 00:29:25,279
aircraft that you might not be able to

845
00:29:28,549 --> 00:29:26,159
get the information

846
00:29:29,269 --> 00:29:28,559
to prove that uh quite readily also

847
00:29:32,470 --> 00:29:29,279
talks about

848
00:29:34,230 --> 00:29:32,480
the possibility of panspermia and a few

849
00:29:35,990 --> 00:29:34,240
other things there it's very interesting

850
00:29:36,710 --> 00:29:36,000
uh go over and look for that at my

851
00:29:38,310 --> 00:29:36,720
website

852
00:29:42,990 --> 00:29:38,320
i wrote the article about the linus

853
00:29:46,070 --> 00:29:44,230
ufopartisan.blogspot.com

854
00:29:47,990 --> 00:29:46,080
so go check that out and find out that

855
00:29:51,190 --> 00:29:48,000
article and take a look at

856
00:29:54,070 --> 00:29:51,200
some of the ideas that pauling had for a

857
00:29:56,710 --> 00:29:54,080
ufo study and again i think you'll find

858
00:29:59,190 --> 00:29:56,720
that very interesting

859
00:30:01,029 --> 00:29:59,200
and finally i was able to watch episode

860
00:30:03,269 --> 00:30:01,039
four of unidentified

861
00:30:05,029 --> 00:30:03,279
this particular episode titled a

862
00:30:07,669 --> 00:30:05,039
planetary threat

863
00:30:08,070 --> 00:30:07,679
uh posed as a question and uh the

864
00:30:10,149 --> 00:30:08,080
episode

865
00:30:11,269 --> 00:30:10,159
again another very solid very uh

866
00:30:13,750 --> 00:30:11,279
interesting episode

867
00:30:15,430 --> 00:30:13,760
uh basically elizondo trekked off to

868
00:30:17,269 --> 00:30:15,440
south america talked to a number of

869
00:30:19,350 --> 00:30:17,279
high-level people down there

870
00:30:20,789 --> 00:30:19,360
and uh some witnesses to some very

871
00:30:24,149 --> 00:30:20,799
interesting events

872
00:30:26,070 --> 00:30:24,159
they really didn't present that within

873
00:30:28,549 --> 00:30:26,080
the context of the show

874
00:30:29,350 --> 00:30:28,559
anything that i regarded as especially

875
00:30:31,430 --> 00:30:29,360
threatening

876
00:30:32,470 --> 00:30:31,440
there have been times when ttsa i think

877
00:30:35,590 --> 00:30:32,480
has lapsed

878
00:30:37,269 --> 00:30:35,600
and talked about a threat here

879
00:30:39,269 --> 00:30:37,279
i guess they've decided that's the

880
00:30:42,549 --> 00:30:39,279
strategy that's what they need to

881
00:30:45,750 --> 00:30:42,559
get people's attention about all this

882
00:30:46,549 --> 00:30:45,760
but again it's tough enough to get

883
00:30:49,350 --> 00:30:46,559
people to

884
00:30:50,710 --> 00:30:49,360
accept the fact that there really is

885
00:30:53,190 --> 00:30:50,720
something that these ufos

886
00:30:54,549 --> 00:30:53,200
some of them might well be et and then

887
00:30:57,190 --> 00:30:54,559
take that leap and say

888
00:30:57,830 --> 00:30:57,200
well uh they're a threat uh you know uh

889
00:30:59,990 --> 00:30:57,840
from a

890
00:31:01,430 --> 00:31:00,000
strictly aviation point i've made this

891
00:31:03,669 --> 00:31:01,440
point a number of times

892
00:31:04,710 --> 00:31:03,679
uh going back to the uh the language

893
00:31:07,190 --> 00:31:04,720
trap

894
00:31:07,909 --> 00:31:07,200
that the talked about with john

895
00:31:09,430 --> 00:31:07,919
mack

896
00:31:11,029 --> 00:31:09,440
going back to that language trap the

897
00:31:13,190 --> 00:31:11,039
threat word yeah

898
00:31:14,950 --> 00:31:13,200
in the context of aviation really

899
00:31:17,830 --> 00:31:14,960
anything and anything

900
00:31:18,149 --> 00:31:17,840
that could possibly uh lead to some kind

901
00:31:20,389 --> 00:31:18,159
of an

902
00:31:21,590 --> 00:31:20,399
air mishap is regarded as a threat

903
00:31:24,549 --> 00:31:21,600
including birds

904
00:31:26,149 --> 00:31:24,559
including weather so uh yeah a ufo

905
00:31:28,070 --> 00:31:26,159
almost by definition uh

906
00:31:29,190 --> 00:31:28,080
could be regarded as a threat in an

907
00:31:32,230 --> 00:31:29,200
aviation sense

908
00:31:34,149 --> 00:31:32,240
uh but beyond that uh no it's not not

909
00:31:34,549 --> 00:31:34,159
any kind of planetary threat not any

910
00:31:38,789 --> 00:31:34,559
kind of

911
00:31:39,509 --> 00:31:38,799
threat to the united states or any other

912
00:31:42,070 --> 00:31:39,519
country

913
00:31:42,950 --> 00:31:42,080
that currently exists on this planet but

914
00:31:44,630 --> 00:31:42,960
uh

915
00:31:46,470 --> 00:31:44,640
that was the title maybe a little bit

916
00:31:47,909 --> 00:31:46,480
cheeky a little bit misleading

917
00:31:49,750 --> 00:31:47,919
so they didn't really go there during

918
00:31:51,509 --> 00:31:49,760
the course of the episode uh one thing

919
00:31:53,029 --> 00:31:51,519
that did cross my mind and i did enjoy

920
00:31:54,950 --> 00:31:53,039
the episode and did like it

921
00:31:56,630 --> 00:31:54,960
but what we're finding is in this

922
00:31:59,110 --> 00:31:56,640
increased

923
00:32:00,470 --> 00:31:59,120
heat within the news cycle and things

924
00:32:03,029 --> 00:32:00,480
are happening sort of

925
00:32:04,149 --> 00:32:03,039
on a almost daily basis that are really

926
00:32:06,789 --> 00:32:04,159
quite interesting

927
00:32:07,669 --> 00:32:06,799
and uh i i don't see any reason that's

928
00:32:09,430 --> 00:32:07,679
going to die down

929
00:32:11,830 --> 00:32:09,440
anytime soon i mean i'm sure it will

930
00:32:12,310 --> 00:32:11,840
eventually we do run hot cold with all

931
00:32:14,710 --> 00:32:12,320
this

932
00:32:16,389 --> 00:32:14,720
but the show itself is uh to a certain

933
00:32:18,630 --> 00:32:16,399
extent almost becoming a bit of an

934
00:32:19,830 --> 00:32:18,640
afterthought that what's going on right

935
00:32:21,190 --> 00:32:19,840
here and right now

936
00:32:23,350 --> 00:32:21,200
is more interesting than what they've

937
00:32:24,549 --> 00:32:23,360
got together on the show so uh that's

938
00:32:27,269 --> 00:32:24,559
another issue that

939
00:32:28,549 --> 00:32:27,279
if there is a season three uh then maybe

940
00:32:30,470 --> 00:32:28,559
they might they might want to have to

941
00:32:33,350 --> 00:32:30,480
consider maybe uh turn around do

942
00:32:35,190 --> 00:32:33,360
uh increase uh or i should say uh pick

943
00:32:36,870 --> 00:32:35,200
up the speed on their turnaround time

944
00:32:38,710 --> 00:32:36,880
and do things a little bit more in the

945
00:32:41,669 --> 00:32:38,720
moment because uh

946
00:32:42,870 --> 00:32:41,679
uh yeah i mean when you when your show

947
00:32:44,950 --> 00:32:42,880
is uh kind of getting uh

948
00:32:46,070 --> 00:32:44,960
uh getting its doors blown off by much

949
00:32:47,590 --> 00:32:46,080
more interesting things that are

950
00:32:49,269 --> 00:32:47,600
happening in the news cycle

951
00:32:50,630 --> 00:32:49,279
that can be a little bit of a problem

952
00:32:53,590 --> 00:32:50,640
but i will say yeah

953
00:32:55,190 --> 00:32:53,600
uh john burroughs asked me this week if

954
00:32:57,590 --> 00:32:55,200
uh what was that what was the story with

955
00:32:58,950 --> 00:32:57,600
the ratings on unidentified and i really

956
00:33:01,350 --> 00:32:58,960
haven't been keeping track

957
00:33:03,029 --> 00:33:01,360
uh but i was curious and uh did decide

958
00:33:05,110 --> 00:33:03,039
to give it a quick look up

959
00:33:06,389 --> 00:33:05,120
and uh not this week obviously the

960
00:33:08,950 --> 00:33:06,399
readings aren't in for this week

961
00:33:09,430 --> 00:33:08,960
but last week's episode was in the top

962
00:33:11,590 --> 00:33:09,440
10

963
00:33:12,549 --> 00:33:11,600
uh regarding that cable original cable

964
00:33:15,669 --> 00:33:12,559
shows uh

965
00:33:17,430 --> 00:33:15,679
for last week so released on that

966
00:33:17,830 --> 00:33:17,440
particular day so it was in the top 10

967
00:33:21,590 --> 00:33:17,840
so

968
00:33:23,669 --> 00:33:21,600
know if saturday night is necessarily

969
00:33:25,350 --> 00:33:23,679
the best night for tv watching but at

970
00:33:27,269 --> 00:33:25,360
least uh compared to its competition

971
00:33:27,990 --> 00:33:27,279
comparing apples to apples and saturday

972
00:33:29,990 --> 00:33:28,000
night shows

973
00:33:31,990 --> 00:33:30,000
it was in the top 10 and obviously

974
00:33:33,350 --> 00:33:32,000
there's an awful lot out there on cable

975
00:33:35,110 --> 00:33:33,360
tv these days so

976
00:33:36,470 --> 00:33:35,120
it seems to be holding its own and i

977
00:33:36,950 --> 00:33:36,480
don't know if we'll get a season three

978
00:33:39,509 --> 00:33:36,960
or not

979
00:33:40,389 --> 00:33:39,519
but so far i definitely do like the uh

980
00:33:42,230 --> 00:33:40,399
the show uh

981
00:33:43,509 --> 00:33:42,240
roughly a halfway through its run at

982
00:33:45,269 --> 00:33:43,519
this point four

983
00:33:47,110 --> 00:33:45,279
episodes in and we'll see what they've

984
00:33:48,149 --> 00:33:47,120
got the rest of the way so uh that's

985
00:33:50,630 --> 00:33:48,159
about all i've got

986
00:33:51,509 --> 00:33:50,640
for tonight for you i really enjoyed it

987
00:33:53,350 --> 00:33:51,519
it was a

988
00:33:54,710 --> 00:33:53,360
quick easy show to do we didn't get too

989
00:33:56,310 --> 00:33:54,720
complicated and

990
00:33:57,990 --> 00:33:56,320
hopefully the news keeps coming and i

991
00:33:59,830 --> 00:33:58,000
can do these more often so

992
00:34:01,430 --> 00:33:59,840
you enjoy the rest of your weekend and

993
00:34:02,630 --> 00:34:01,440
i'll be back as soon as i've got